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  • Mitch Keamy Photo Mitch Keamy is an anesthesiologist in Las Vegas Nevada Andy Kofke Photo Andy Kofke is a Professor of Neuro-anesthesiology and Critical Care at the University of Pennslvania Mike O'Connor Mike O'Connor is Professor of Anesthesiology and Critical Care at the University of Chicago Rob Dean Photo Rob Dean is a cardiac anesthesiologist in Grand Rapids Michigan, with extensive experience in O.R. administration.

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Rather_Not_Say

In my late 50s, I've had 'twilight' anesthesia twice -- to reset a broken radius, and for a gastric scope exam. I was "goofy" friends' word) and had multiple falls just walking on flat sidewalks, and memory trouble, for a couple years after each one. Got lost walking across the town I've lived in 30 years; forgot where my commuter bus stopped. Three years later I've still lost the thread of all my projects. My dad had the same sort of problems. And we both are extraordinarily slow to wake up after anesthesia, even after telling the doctor about this problem in advance each time.

Outliers, I expect.

Is there anything appropriate to say to a regular doctor about this, before considering optional anesthesia?

I'm overdue for a colonoscopy -- but comparing perhaps a 3 percent chance of colon cancer (no primary relatives) versus what seems like certainty of another couple of years of falling down on the street repeatedly and forgetting things is -- a tradeoff.

It's a tradeoff I can't balance. I have no idea how even to explain to a treating MD who works on the basis of statistical averages.

Of course I never see the same MD twice and they don't have time to read my file, that's medicine these days.

Thoughts or pointers to more appropriate place to ask welcome.

Jackie

I have a suggestion about the anesthetics used for colonoscopy. DON'T LET THEM USE VERSED/MIDAZOLAM if you value your mind. VERSED is the drug from hell for a lot of patients who previously were fine. I had problems with GA also, but the effects from VERSED have lasted 2 years and counting!!! I get along fine with a small amount of Fentanyl only without all the rest of the brain disabling drugs. Good luck convincing your provider not to knock you in the head with VERSED however! They love this stuff.

Willie Owen

I have a record for memory losss by anesthesia. I feel it is not all anesthesia. I suffered an electrocuted brain 20 years before and then an electric shock a few weeks before surgery. I woke up a few weeks ago in a completely different world from the one I went to sleep in the night before. It took a couple of days before I remembered the last thing I knew was counting backwards before rotator cuff surgery. It took me another day to realize that ten years had passed since the surgery. Any record of such happening to any one else? I feel like the alterations to my brain cells by the electricity interfered with normal operation of the anesthesia and an alter ego emerged and rn my life for all this time. Any comments?

Willie Owen

I have a record for memory losss by anesthesia. I feel it is not all anesthesia. I suffered an electrocuted brain 20 years before and then an electric shock a few weeks before surgery. I woke up a few weeks ago in a completely different world from the one I went to sleep in the night before. It took a couple of days before I remembered the last thing I knew was counting backwards before rotator cuff surgery. It took me another day to realize that ten years had passed since the surgery. Any record of such happening to any one else? I feel like the alterations to my brain cells by the electricity interfered with normal operation of the anesthesia and an alter ego emerged and rn my life for all this time. Any comments?

johny republic

What about fluoride levels from the florine based gases? Fluoride is a potent neurotoxic poison. What role does that play in memory loss and cognitive function?

kofke

my knowledge about flourine and volatile anesthetics:

methoxyflurane: bad, heavily metabolized and caused renal failure from F. not around anymore

enflurane: signif metabolism and with prolonged use an occasional F induced kidney failure. not around anymore

halothane: less metabolism, Br released too, pretty much gone now.

Isoflurane: hardly any metabolism but some. i once measured urine F when i gave it to a patient for two days, and could not detect a toxic amount

desflurant and sevo I think produce negligible flouride

so its a good question but i am pretty sure that with the modern anesthetics this is not an issue anymore

ak

wisdom

Thanks for the information on anesthetics and a potential link to brain damage.

Distressed Daughter

Three years ago my then 76 yr old mother underwent bypass surgery to replace the aortic valve. Due to complications with the new valve, she was in surgery for 8.5 hours. In addition, the night before she underwent catheterization and was under anesthesia for an hour.

She woke up 24 hours later a different person. She did not recognize her family and thought she was 10 years old in Japan. Although she has spoken English most of her life she no longer understood it well.

Three years and many tests later, we are told she suffered brain damage from prolonged anesthesia and now has alzheimer's as a result. She is like two people - one who is my sweet mother and one who screws up her life by doing irrational things. She always says "someone else did this or that, not me". To her, her history since the operation is all made up in her head since she can only remember from the day before the surgery three years ago and nothing since. Its very very sad for her and for all of us who love her.

Does anyone know of any treatments for this type of brain damage?

Laurie

I had liposuction and facelift in September of 2007 at Thailand. I was put under anesthesia two times - once during the surgeries and again to remove surtures at my request. They also offered a "No Pain Surgery" for an additional $50, which I decided in favor of. My comprehension has since been difficult and I am now more forgetful. I have been checked by a neurologists who claims there's nothing wrong with me. I know he is wrong. I feel it and live it everyday. I have been surfing the net to find out if anesthesias can indeed cause brain damage. Your site so far has provided the best info for me. If I can help your studies in any way, feel free to contact me. I tried to find out tonight exactly what kinds of anesthesias were used on me, but they refused to give me this info without first getting a copy of my passport. It could've been isoflurane and/or sevoflurane. The hospital said that those were the two gas anesthesias most commonly used. I will find out what exactly I was given. Hope to hear from you. Aloha!

Hank Roberts

http://upennanesthesiology.typepad.com/upenn_anesthesiology/2009/06/consensus-statement-first-international-workshop-on-anesthetics-and-alzheimers-disease.html

June 29, 2009:

".... Given the available evidence, the potential for anesthetics to have long term cognitive effects needs serious attention and further study. ..... Consensus statement: First international workshop on anesthetics and Alzheimer’s disease. Anesth Analg 2009;108:1627-30

Dipankar Dhar

Almost since a year now, increasingly I am asked, especially, by parents of toddlers,during pre-anesthesia visit, about the potential of anesthetics causing any brain damage, especially in children.

With insufficient information available it is extremely difficult to allay such apprehension.

Emergence agitation with sevoflurane, especially in children is not uncommon... is it some temporary manifestation of limbic system dysfunction?


andrew kofke

dont know what to make of the sevo delirium. It is proconvulsant so one wonders about that as an issue but probably not. hua fung wei at our place finds that isoflurane promotes apoptosis and sevo and des do not so from that perspective it should be a good drug.

ak

Ann

My dearest friend of 42 years underwent plastic surgery in office and was under for at least one hour. She was not the same when she came out. A month later she is cognitively impaired and often cannot discern between reality and dreams. She has also suddenly become obsessive/compulsive about a number of things...combing hair, cleaning hands and a number of other not normal behaviors. We are all worried that we won't get her back.

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